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50 Years Later, Kool & The Gang Are Still Celebrating The "Pursuit Of Happiness" On New Album 'Perfect Union'

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Robert "Kool" Bell recently chatted with GRAMMY.com about Kool & the Gang's new album, 'Perfect Union,' the loss of his brother Ronald "Khalis" Bell and original member Dennis "Dee Tee" Thomas, the band's evolution, and much more
Christopher A. Daniel
GRAMMYs
Aug 20, 2021 - 5:00 am

In the summer of 2020, Kool & the Gang's founding member and principal songwriter Ronald "Khalis" Bell wanted to combine the band's dance rhythms with lyrical themes around world peace and harmony for the band's first full-length studio album in over a decade, Perfect Union.

Unfortunately, he would never live to see his musical vision come to life. Bell's life was cut short on Sept. 9, 2020, at age 68. His brother, Robert "Kool" Bell, and original band members George Brown and Dennis "Dee Tee" Thomas decided to carry the torch. Perfect Union's first single, "Pursuit of Happiness," is inspired by President Biden's campaign and features rapper Keith Murray. The album releases on Aug. 20.

For five decades, Kool & the Gang turned their brand of slick funk, disco rhythms, horn-blaring jazz, R&B instrumentals, memorable hooks, and tender pop ballads into GRAMMY-winning, million-selling classics like "Jungle Boogie," "Hollywood Swinging," "Ladies Night," Too Hot," "Funky Stuff," "Summer Madness," "Get Down On It," "Cherish," "Joanna," "Fresh," and the anthemic chart-topper "Celebration."

Originating in Jersey City, New Jersey in 1964, the Songwriters Hall of Fame inductees went through a series of name changes until they released their self-titled debut LP in 1969. The group added lead vocalist James "J.T." Taylor a decade later.

Songs from Kool & the Gang's catalog have been featured in commercials for brands like Kroger, Capital One and Amoco. The band is regularly sampled on hip-hop records, has a street named for them, and is featured at the Smithsonian Museum of African American History and Culture. The band is in the process of adapting their story for book publishing, film, an extended box set, and a musical.

Robert "Kool" Bell recently sat with GRAMMY.com to chat about Kool & the Gang's new music, grieving the losses of his brother Ronald and original member Dennis "Dee Tee" Thomas, the band's evolution, longevity, and giving back to the community.

What's the inspiration behind the lead single and the album?

I know it's a tough time right now dealing with COVID, but we put this together. My brother basically did most of the album and got us back into the studio before I lost him last year, but it's good to be back out there. When Biden was running for president, he played "Celebration." When he won, "Celebration" was one of the most played songs around the world.

My brother came up with "Pursuit of Happiness." I wasn't sure what route he was trying to go with it, but it turns out he was talking about world peace. When Biden was making his speech for his nomination, he went into the Constitution and spoke about the pursuit of happiness and a perfect union. We have some dance stuff on the album, but this project is about pushing for world peace and people coming together.

How did you get the nickname "Kool"?

I'll try and make this quick. I was a country boy coming to Jersey City, the big city, trying to fit in. My mother sent me to the store one day to get some bread that cost a quarter. Two guys walked up, told me to give them some money, and they took my quarter. I asked myself if I wanted to be a victim or a part of what's going on? So I became a part of that organization, the Imperial Lords, and tried to stay on the good side of things. That's how I got the nickname Kool. It was originally Tamango first because of that movie.

Where did music come into play?

When we first started, my brother was a fan of John Coltrane; Dee Tee was into Cannonball Adderly; Spike Mickens loved Freddie Hubbard; George Brown liked Philly Joe Jones; and I listened to Ron Carter, so the jazz thing was happening.

My father was a boxer, and he used to fight in Cuba a lot before the sanctions. Dizzy Gillespie and Miles Davis used to come to Cuba and hang out, so it was a lot like Floyd Mayweather being around the hip-hop guys. My father used to live in the same building as Thelonious Monk, and he became my godfather. Miles wanted to get in the ring with my father because he wanted to be a boxer.

How did Kool & the Gang ensure the energy from the studio could translate so well into song?

The energy was 90 percent us. We'd go in and just have some fun, come up with some concepts, and some ideas, man. All the guys would chip in on the writing. We were just jammin', man: makin' up songs like "Chocolate Buttermilk" and "Raw Hamburger."

Then we got to a point where we ran out of titles, so we called one song "N.T." for "No Title." We got a lot of samples off of "N.T." It just would all come together, man. "Too Hot" was about George Brown and his wife breaking up because it got too hot. George could write those types of songs; "September Love" was about someone that he met in September. We have a lot of different songs that we revisit every now and then.

How was the band able to straddle successfully between making uptempo anthems and pop ballads?

It was all part of our transition. We were on tour with The Jacksons in the late '70s, and Dick Griffey, a promoter and the president of SOLAR Records, said we were doing well on tour, but we needed a lead singer. So we thought about it; Lionel Richie had The Commodores, Maurice White and Philip Bailey with Earth, Wind & Fire, so it was time.

We only auditioned one guy, and that was James "J.T." Taylor. That's when we went to cut the first song, "Ladies Night." Frankie Crocker broke that record in New York. That's when we decided to blend the music with what we did in the early '70s with the lead singer. That's how we were able to roll into the '80s.

What did it take to make sure that adding James "J.T." Taylor was a seamless transition?

That was my brother and our producer, Eumir Deodato. Eumir told us to focus on the lead singer to some degree, and open up them tracks because the horn players would play all through those parts. We were leaving no room for a singer, so we had to write so that we had that space.

Where did "Celebration" come from?

We were coming off from celebrating "Ladies Night," our first single with J.T. I was hanging out in New York with my wife going to Studio 54, and every weekend somewhere, there was a ladies night. We knew that would be a good song. The tail end of "Ladies Night" says "c'mon let's celebrate," so my brother said there was another song right there.

We went to the studio, and he played this track for us with that down home vibe to it in Alabama with grandma and grandpa sittin' on the porch drinkin' some Kool-Aid. We didn't know that, that record was gonna be the ultimate. We thought "Ladies Night" was. "Celebration" is 40 years old now, and it's still big. It's inducted into the National Recording Registry at the Library of Congress, and it's one that you can't go back and try to redo. "Celebration" stands by itself, and we're thankful to have a record that's still as popular as it is.

How does it feel seeing your songs being used in numerous commercials and sampled by countless hip-hop artists?

We feel very good about that, but there's always a couple that I'll miss. It's been so many different ones.

What's your relationship like with Taylor these days?

I spoke to J.T. last week. He called me about Dee Tee and my brother. We still stay in touch.

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How's that been grieving the losses of your brother and another bandmate?

It's kinda heavy losing my brother last year, Dee Tee this year, and the whole COVID thing. We're trying to get through it and trying to move forward. Our dates are starting to come back. I just came back from Europe actually. We did a mini-tour: playing France, Finland, Spain and Belgium. During this time we were off, I was doing a lot of social media stuff. It's quite interesting what people being home have had to say over the last year.

What inspired your nonprofit, Kool Kids Foundation?

My wife is responsible for that idea. She passed three years ago, but she wanted to do something for kids in school where there was no music and a lack of funding. When I was in school, you could walk into a classroom and pick up an instrument. I had the opportunity to do that, and she was saying it wasn't there anymore in some areas. She came up with the idea for the Kool Kids Foundation. The year before she passed, I was gonna go big time.

Before that in 1987, I did a tour financed by Pepsi-Cola and Cherry Coke in 48 cities. In order for someone to come, they had to have perfect attendance and perform well in school. These four young men came up to us wanting to sing to us. My cousin, our co-manager, wanted to hear what they could do. They did four songs acapella and sounded pretty good. My cousin introduced them to my other cousin, sent them to New York, and that group became Color Me Badd.

How do you handle lasting five decades in the music business?

It feels great because it shows an accomplishment. Some bands don't stay together for 50 days, and we've been together 50 years. We continue to work; Our parents told us to never give up when times get hard, and they do happen in this music business. You go up and down like a rollercoaster ride. We feel good that those things happen, and we're still out there.

Remembering Chucky Thompson In 10 Songs: From Bad Boy Hits To Go-Go Jams

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Producer Chucky Thompson Revisits 25th Anniversary Of Mary J. Blige's 'My Life' & Creating The Bad Boy Sound

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Chucky Thompson talks to GRAMMY.com about commemorating the 25th anniversary of 'My Life,' his secretive work on Diddy's newly developed Love Records, and how he's paying respect to his D.C. go-go roots
Christopher A. Daniel
GRAMMYs
Jul 16, 2021 - 12:40 am

The massive success of Mary J. Blige's triple platinum 1992 debut What's the 411? brought along matching egos. When the GRAMMY-winning "Queen of Hip-Hop Soul" started to plan her follow-up album, 1994's My Life, she kept turning down producers who raised their fee; Chucky Thompson got one placement and was willing to do it for free.

Thompson's initiative would go on to change the sound of '90s hip-hop and R&B. His ear for slickly layering recognizable classic soul/R&B samples under hard beats prompted then Uptown Records executive Sean "Diddy" Combs—then Puffy—and Blige to let the then 24-year-old multi-instrumentalist to produce over half of her GRAMMY-nominated masterpiece, now the subject of an Amazon Prime documentary.

A native of Washington, D.C., Thompson got his start on congas in go-go music legend Chuck Brown band, The Soul Searchers. The once aspiring artist manager became a founding member of Diddy's in-house production team at Bad Boy Entertainment, The Hitmen. Thompson was responsible for singles like The Notorious B.I.G.'s "Big Poppa," Craig Mack's "Flava in Ya Ear," Total's "Can't You See," and Faith Evans' "Soon As I Get Home." The skilled musician would also work with Nas, Raheem DeVaughn, Jennifer Lopez, Snoop Dogg, Frankie, Emily King, and TLC.

These days, Thompson has evolved from producing and writing music into developing film projects and mentoring aspiring talent. He took some time from a session recently to chat with GRAMMY.com about commemorating the 25th anniversary of My Life, his secretive work on Diddy's newly developed Love Records, and how he's paying respect to his D.C. go-go roots.

How did you end up landing so many credits on the My Life album?

Mary is the reason that I signed with Bad Boy. I had two situations: Hiram Hicks and Puff. Hiram could get me TLC, but Puff could get me Mary. We had a mutual friend, and I was sending tracks. One track was supposed to get sent to a group in D.C. that I'd done a remix for. It was "Be With You." I was only contracted to do one song, but that one song pulled us into a different room outside of the What's the 411? album. She loved it and did something amazing on that record.

She was coming from a triple platinum success, and a lot of the producers and people that were part of the debut album were submitting astronomical budgets [for the second one]. I could understand, but Mary wasn't with it. I give lots of thanks to Puff and Mary for even trusting me because it was a brand new situation. I didn't know Puff or Mary like that, but that one session for "Be With You" allowed us to feel the energy. She came to me and Puff to ask if I'd like to do the full My Life album. Man, I wanted to do backflips when I heard her say that. It just lined up. Certain things are just life and God; that situation came from me being in the right place at the right time.

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Who's responsible for Mary J. Blige becoming a songwriter?

Mary and Puff's relationship is where a lot of the lyric writing came from. I was pretty much just an instrumentalist. I'm just happy that they trusted me enough to give them a blank canvas, but the lyrics had nothing to do with me. I didn't know exactly what was going on with her; the documentary actually showed me a lot about what was going on.

Just like the My Life album is medicine for a lot of people, as we were pulling in Curtis Mayfield and Barry White samples, that was medicine for Mary to expose herself the way that she did. She's a soldier. Imagine writing a letter talking about the most personal stuff, then it ends up on MTV. She was in the studio crying a couple of times, but she'd wipe the tears and go back to work. I'm just happy that things turned out the way they did.

How did you feel earning a GRAMMY nomination for Best R&B Album in 1996?

I'd just signed my deal at 24 years old. At that particular time for everybody, it was crazy energy around. We were working on B.I.G.'s next project, Mary's project, and not quite Faith Evans just yet, but she was in the room. Getting that GRAMMY nomination almost made me feel like anything was possible. It just solidified all of the things that were happening to me.

"My Life" was never a single, so that lets you know what type of turmoil and twist that was happening. Mary's fans and the people that loved her gave it so much love, it became this underground classic. It wasn't even marketed and promoted like that. I was buggin' that the album was certified triple platinum like What's the 411? When I got the nomination, I was over the top in the quasars, man. Getting a GRAMMY anything is the biggest deal in music.

What was a typical session like whenever The Hitmen made records?

My first real session with Bad Boy was with [producer] Easy Mo Bee. Puff asked if I wanted to go to the studio and hang out with him. I'd never met him or anything. I showed up at the session; he had a guitar there, and I just started playing along with what Easy Mo Bee was doing. He heard it and immediately wanted to record it. That became the guitar parts on "Ready to Die." That was always the energy.

Puff would give us money to go buy records; we went and found the record that became "Who Shot Ya?" People don't know that "Who Shot Ya?" was an interlude for the My Life album. The reason why B.I.G. didn't get on the record is because we snatched him up off the block in Brooklyn on a Friday. He comes in and raps; it was so gangsta and dope, but the problem was because of what he was saying on that particular verse, they would've had to place a parental advisory label on Mary's LP. So we switched up and put Keith Murray on it.

A typical session was brotherhood, and that's how we kick it with each other to this day. I keep in contact with everybody: Nashiem Myrick, Stevie J., Mario Winans, Harve Pierre, Rashad "Tumblin' Dice" Smith. We talk damn near every month at least and stay connected.

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What was special about working on Usher's debut project?

When I was in the position to sign this deal with Puff, I just started working on a bunch of stuff. I didn't really have an artist in mind when I did "Think of You." Black Moon had used Ronnie Laws' "Tidal Wave" sample, so I took the idea and freaked it into a song. I sent it up to Puff, and I didn't know what his plans were for it.

Usher was around; we were all living in that house up in Scarsdale, N.Y., and that's how I met Faith Evans. I met Faith when she wrote that record with Donell Jones. I kept hearing all of these background vocals and craziness going on. Faith, this chick who was straight New Jersey, heard the beat and some other things. Puff pulled her in on the My Life album. That's how I wound up doing her whole debut album. She told me I was gonna do it. She didn't ask. Situations like that happened because we were always around each other.

Faith is straight gospel. I didn't grow up playing in church, but I grew up in the church enough to snatch up certain melodies. A friend of mine, Kervin Cotton, and I wrote "Soon As I Get Home" when I was 16. I'm on piano between sessions playing this one part. I didn't know she was listening to it, but she told Puff to tell me to make the record before I left New York. I had my bags packed and on the way out the door. Puff had a session already ready for me.

I go upstairs, pissed and ready to leave. I'm talking to the engineers about when I have to leave to catch my flight. I whipped through that song so fast just because I was trying to get out of there. She called me later that night and told me to call her answering machine because she put the hook on there. Puff mixed it, and that's the version that you hear. Now, "Soon As I Get Home" is a classic.

What did playing in Chuck Brown and the Soul Searchers teach you about music?

Everybody's looking for the fountain of youth. For Chuck, it was the youth. He used to tell me a lot of his friends weren't older than him, but they looked older than him because they don't interact with kids. Chuck was 75-years-old with 18-year-olds coming to see him. Age ain't nothing but a number; it's about the energy you bring and how you're moving.

Chuck taught me about music, money and people early on with his band. You're dealing with all of these personalities, and you have to address them differently. It's all to get one goal accomplished. Chuck fired everybody, but everyone still loved him. It was a mission of mine as soon as I got back from the successes and accomplishments from New York, my first mission was to come and work on a record with Chuck. We worked on three albums together. It felt like life robbed him because he had so much more in store. He passed away working with dates still booked. He was super inspirational to me.

Could you share details about the music you're working on with Shania Twain?

Love Records is the new thing that's about to happen. I've been working behind-the-scenes. Stacy Barthe, who is so dope, is signed to Love Records. She was in the Bahamas with songwriter Denise Rich, who has a yacht out there. They were in the studio working on stuff. It just so happens that Shania Twain walks in on the boat.

Shania was so gangsta with it, she greets Denise and asks, "Does the microphone work?" Denise, Stacey, a guitar player, a bass player, and Shania wrote a song. Denise sent it to me to add some additional production on it. The song is called "Naked," and it's talking about the same stuff as Mary: opening yourself up and having somebody care about what's inside of a person. It's a work-in-progress. Things are moving fast.

Is there anything that you're exploring outside of music?

There are so many different facets to production, I've always wanted to cover all of the bases. I've teamed up with one of my CHUCKLIFE365 interns, Kirk Fraser, who's worked on BET's "American Gangster" and ESPN's 30 for 30 on Len Bias. We've been working together the last three years.

We did a documentary on the Tuskegee Airmen with Robin Roberts for The History Channel. We're working on my documentary, Chucky Thompson Presents D.C. Go-Go. It's not the go-go music story; it's my story with go-go music. A lot of people don't understand the music. They don't even know what it takes to make a go-go record. I got a segment based on the music: another based on the movement where it's been deemed the official music of the city, that process, and how it got there.

That's very important for our city. Last part is the mainstay: what happens in the city versus mainstream. A lot of people feel like go-go been on: others feel it never got on. That conversation is very important for the movement of it. I got a lot of celebrity looks like Anthony Hamilton and Lalah Hathaway. The people that matter to me most are in this project, and they don't do interviews for just anybody. There's a trust factor there. This is to show people that may not know what it is, how it's made and how it can be used. I wanna see a go-go band in Kansas City. We have a few other projects, but I just want to put the flag down for my city and let them know we're about to expose some things. By September of 2022, I should be done.

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Dawn Richard On Alchemizing Grief Into Joy, Advocating For Black Creators & Her NOLA-Honoring New Album 'Second Line'

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On her new album 'Second Line,' singer/songwriter Dawn Richard's aim is twofold: to make New Orleans the province of the future and elevate Black creators of all stripes
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Jun 1, 2021 - 2:07 pm

Encased in golden body armor with a vibrant plume of sky-blue feathers, King Creole crouches valiantly on the cover of Dawn Richard's sixth solo album, Second Line. Her eyes are fixed and steady as she prepares to lead the charge for Richard's newest era as an artist.

The illustrated character embodies the hope and tenacity that's carried the singer/songwriter through a career of more than 15 years. In that time, Richard has seen chart-topping success and an astonishing run of critically acclaimed albums as a solo act and as a member of Danity Kane and Dirty Money. The New Orleans native credits sobering personal and career challenges as vital to her growth as an artist and individual.

"The story I'm telling in King Creole is me. But I also feel like there are a lot of King Creoles. There are a lot of people who feel like they are worthless. They don't have a voice. They are the others," Richard told GRAMMY.com. "They've had a journey like mine, the unconventional journey, the journey that didn't have a blueprint. You had to be the blueprint."

For her sixth outing as a solo artist, Richard continues to strike down the unspoken rules that often surround Black music artists regarding the narrow scope in which critics and audiences categorize their music. Second Line—which Richard describes as an "electro revival"—is built on a foundation of electronic productions blended with other sonic inspirations Richard has pulled from across her career, like R&B, dance-pop and jazz. 

"It is not a surprise that I would make an album full of so many different genres, so many different colors, so many different meanings," she says, "when I am from a city [and parents] who encompass all of that." Plus, Richard hopes the project will expand how the world views the city that continually informs her artistry. "New Orleans is the story, but it's not about brass horns and jazz and blues," she adds. "The story is about the journey. New Orleans is the journey. It's not in the sound."

In a chat with GRAMMY.com, Richard expounded on her inspirations behind Second Line, how she channeled her pain and promise into the creative narrative of the project and why she'll never stop speaking out for Black artists in the industry.

This interview has been edited and condensed for clarity.

A major piece of your creative mandate around Second Line has been speaking out against the genre boxes Black artists are often placed in. Does continually having to speak out against those unspoken rules affect your creativity or headspace when you're going in to make a new record—seeing that you're always having to be, in a sense, a voice of representation for Black women and Black musical artists?

I would love to go in and not have to explain myself at all. The artist in me would just like to show my art and then become a recluse. That would be the dream. I would love to do what my peers do. 

I always speak about this because I appreciate Lady Gaga a lot. But I always talk about her journey because she never has to explain why she did a country album, why she did a jazz album, why she did a dance album and then went to electronic. She never explained it. Every album came out in a different genre, and we loved her for all of them. She didn't have to ever lead with anything but her art. I thought that was beautiful. 

Black women don't have that ability, or Black artists, period. When we do things, we have to have disclaimers. We have to explain who we are and why we're doing what we're doing because it isn't what traditionally people expect us to do. I always thought that was interesting. It was never a bad or good thing. I was just observant of it. 

I don't ever want to have to disclaim who I am. I don't want to have to say, "You know, Black women in electronic [music]..." I would just like to come in and be among my peers and make great music. But the truth is, if I don't speak on it, it'll never change.

One of my favorite notes about this project is that you worked on it while at home with your parents—who are key figures in your story as an artist. How did sharing space with them shape the project and how was their influence reflected in what you ended up making with Second Line?

It was everything. My parents have always been the inspiration behind all that I've ever done creatively. They and I have experienced some severe journeys. We lost together and we gained together. We went through severe homelessness when Katrina happened. So every time I'm able to be with them, I feel like I go back to a sense of peace. I get to know who I am. I get reacquainted with why I keep doing this thing and why I have my passions. 

With this album, when you hear records like "Perfect Storm" and "The Potter," [you hear] the influence of sometimes losing self-­worth because I have been through this so long. And I have been treated in all different types of crazy ways. I always find that when I'm with my mom and dad, I find my self-worth again a little bit. I find the strength in me to keep moving. 

My mom and dad have had severe loss, yet they dance in their joy of the possibility and the hope of what could be. They are a direct reflection of what Second Line embodies, and so is New Orleans.                      

You even had your mom featured on the interludes on the album.

We would have sessions. She was getting a knee replacement, so she was immobile for a while. And it made us have these conversations that I hadn't ever thought about. I discovered things I had never known about my mom. And it became so much more about creating an album that represented what it means to be from New Orleans.

What I've realized is I didn't want to make an album that sonically sounded like New Orleans; I wanted to make New Orleans. The record emulates New Orleans—who I am, my mom, who she is. The energy that I put into the record became the actual narrative and the sonics behind it became the possibilities of what it could be.           

Do you have a track you'd call the foundation or heart of the project?

My favorite is the trio of "Le Petit Morte" to "Radio Free" to "The Potter." Those three just mean something to me. They speak to me. I wanted them to be one long record. But I just loved them better as a separate entity structurally when I was sequencing. 

Those three spoke to how I wanted to design the record. Because the record is broken up into two parts. The first half is the electronic, the process, the android, if you will, of King Creole. It's the android version of the album. So, even if the BPMs are at a certain time frame, the meter is at a specific place. Whereas after the "Voodoo" intermission, the human side of King Creole forms. You start to get more soul and vibration that is from a human aspect.

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An important part of any album's story is its album cover. And for you to take this concept of King Creole and make it into an actual illustration, I'm sitting here looking and saying, "Who is she, or he, or them?" Who is King Creole? What do they represent to you? 

King Creole has my eyes but she's not fully me. I want people to see themselves in this character. And it's important to me to always do that because I just want people to know they're never alone. I didn't realize when my albums would come out that for so many people, it affected them in ways when they had severe hard times.

Because that's what music was for me. That is the biggest compliment I could ever get. And I always want to make sure that when I make these albums, though I am on them and though I have these alter egos, they also reflect others who have also felt that way.

So instead of teasing Second Line through a music video, as most people would likely expect, you hit us with your animated short and then followed that up with the release of the "Bussifame" video. How did that short come to be and why did you choose to kick off the album rollout that way?

I always saw my city when I made this album. I saw New Orleans as so much more than just what we were being portrayed as. We are such a visual city. My city is so full of roots and heritage. That kind of diversity and movement is so ever-present in New Orleans. I thought it could be really cool to apply it to a post-apocalyptic Blade Runner­-like story when I was making the album.

The only way New Orleans is seen in animation is The Princess and the Frog—a very caricature-like idea. I thought it'd be cool to show New Orleans in a different way in animation. And because I was working with that, I wanted to highlight Black animators. I [worked with] Nurdin Momodu from Lotusfly Animation—he's from Nigeria. I had him animate the trailer to show an animated New Orleans that hadn't really been seen before. 

The I-­10 and having King Creole smoking a blunt in the middle of downtown New Orleans, just something that is completely different than the depiction of what New Orleans is when people think of it. Because it's so much more. We always see New Orleans as the past. I was trying to show New Orleans in a futuristic way.                                                                                                          

When did you start recording Second Line and when did you finish the project?

I started recording [Second Line] maybe seven months after I released New Breed in 2019. I started recording again while I was in LA and then I finished in New Orleans in the pandemic. My mom got her surgery in February of last year. So, literally around March or April 2020, I was like, "I don't know if I'm done."

I had the music, I had the plan, and then I met up with Merge Records. Because I haven't even been with Merge even a year yet. They heard everything. They loved it. They were like, "We need time 'cause this is dope and we want to do all of this stuff." And I was like, "Okay." So then they were like, "We're gonna release it next March."

So you've had all this done for a year?   

Yeah, I had a year just sitting on it. And that's hard for someone like me because I never feel like anything's finished! You know what I mean? I was trying to do more stuff and put more bells [on it] and I was trying to figure it out.

Do you have any creative elements that you remember thinking out or sketching out very early on in the album creation process before they had turned into their final product?

"Bussifame," no question. I knew what I wanted it to sound like, I knew I wanted to pay tribute to the drill team and majorettes. I knew I wanted the Chef Menteur building. I also knew I wanted to do primary colors. Because for me colors play a strong role in all my albums because I dream in color. And if you guys check out my visuals, blue, red and yellow are very present in the story.

And how have you been able to find balance during your transition back into a label with Merge Records? You're used to having to handle so many aspects of a release on your own. Was it tough allowing members of your team to take on some of the responsibilities?

I handle every element of my project going out still. I talk to Merge daily. And I'll tell you; I've never had a PR team this dope. But I'm constantly on. It doesn't change. If anything, I'm even more on it because I do know what that feels like, and there are severe fears for me because I've had some really bad situations. I'm still with an independent label, so I'm still indie.

[Merge Records] moves good. My PR team at [Schure Media Group] moves good. But I'm still ever-present [with] it. For example, when I knew I would be on with Schure, I didn't take that for granted because that was a dream.

So I came to them with pictures already done. I did a whole photoshoot and had a folder. I was like, "No, we're in COVID. So because we're in COVID, and we may not get photoshoots for magazines, I'm gonna take all these pictures and give you guys a folder. So that'll make it easier for you to pitch."

I promise you that happened. Just because you get help don't mean you stop. It means you go harder because you've got people who believe in you. So I feel like I'm even more involved because I'm not taking for granted that extra help.

There's energy sitting here right now, and it is very palpable. I can think of Goldenheart, Black Heart, Redemption, New Breed and all of those projects, but where does this project stand among those?

This is my best project, no question. I know that's hard for people because this project isn't as targeted into the industry. 

With my other projects, the story was so specific. This is broader. It's a bigger message. It's a blatant choice to say in the very beginning [of the album] that "I don't need a genre. I am the genre." I purposely tried to show that a Black woman can move any way she chooses, believe herself to be the royalty that she truly is, and never care how the structure or the blueprint is mapped out. 

This is the first album with that much versatility, and it doesn't take New Orleans so literally. It doesn't have to sound like the streets of New Orleans sonically. I'm showing you that the essence of what New Orleans is can be brought to the future. I feel like this could open doors for other Black female artists for Black women right now in music, especially in genres that they had never been seeing themselves. 

I would hope that this would be that because that's really what this is to me. It's an opportunity to have people start looking a little deeper at what we can do.

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Tower Of Power On New Live Album '50 Years Of Funk & Soul' & Why COVID-19 Hasn't Slowed Them Down

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Ahead of their GRAMMY Museum appearance on Thursday, April 22, Tower of Power's Emilio Castillo and David Garibaldi discuss '50 Years Of Funk & Soul' and their half-century in the horn-section game
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Apr 22, 2021 - 11:49 am

The pandemic should have been devastating to Tower of Power for two reasons. First, there are nine of them. Second, as a horn-led band, they require a tremendous deal of breath, which tips the odds of viral transmission. But while big bands may be the last animal to rebound from this extinction event, Tower of Power has remained a fertile and thriving enterprise.

How could this be when people are afraid to stand at the same bus stop, much less exhale copious amounts of air onstage together sans masks?

"We're always busy, and we're always pretty much doing the same thing," Tower of Power's indefatigable leader since 1968, Emilio Castillo, tells GRAMMY.com. "I mean, we're doing Tower of Power. That's what we do." The band's last gig may have been 13 months ago, but they're writing at a fever pitch, recording new music and fulfilling speaking engagements.

On the heels of their new live record, 50 Years of Funk & Soul, which arrived March 26, Castillo, drummer David Garibaldi, baritone saxophonist Stephen "Doc" Kupka and keyboardist Roger Smith are having a chat at the GRAMMY Museum on April 22 viewable on the Museum's official streaming platform, COLLECTION:live. 

Expect a chat about the band's half-century history, the vibrant new album and how, in Garibaldi's words, "the story is still being written." Before watching their appearance at the GRAMMY Museum, crank up 50 Years of Funk & Soul exclusively on Qobuz and read on for a GRAMMY.com chat with Castillo and Garibaldi.

The energy of 50 Years of Funk & Soul is palpable. How was the Fox Theater gig? How'd you guys feel up there?

Garibaldi: It was fun! It was good! It was a great experience, man. We worked really hard to make it happen. Emilio, the boss—he ran the whole show. It was great, you know? We survived. We can look back on it and say we really gave it everything we had.

I see here the gig happened three years ago, in 2018.

Garibaldi: It was the 50th anniversary—June shows at the Fox Theater in Oakland. Two nights. It was pretty cool.

How did it feel to come full circle, since you guys have been around since 1968?

Garibaldi: Well, we just do what we do, you know? The story's still being written, so it's kind of cool that we still are relevant today. It's a cool thing.

How about you, Emilio?

Castillo: Very exciting week. Not just the gigs. We went out there a week ahead of time. We rehearsed for, I think, three days, with the augmented band. Then, we brought the strings in on the third day. You know, people were dropping by—old friends. We rehearsed right in Oakland. The guy from Tony! Toni! Toné!, D'wayne Wiggins, let us use his rehearsal hall. 

In the rehearsals, everybody was so excited. It sounded so good. The seven horns, the extra background singers, Chester Thompson, Bruce Conte, Lenny Pickett, [Francis] Rocco [Prestia] ... we felt like we were elevated off the ground or something. And then, the day after the rehearsal, we were on the news and the mayor declared it Tower of Power Day. We had this big scene in front of city hall where they gave us all these parchments. Each guy said what Oakland meant to them. It was unbelievable, you know?

And then the gig. So many people that we've known over the years coming out of the woodwork, man. And the place packed to the max. Beautiful theater. It was the most exciting gig we've done in years.

Garibaldi: Blocks away from where we started! Literally in the same part of downtown Oakland where we started there at the On Broadway [club]. Nobody used to come. Pretty amazing, man.

Tower of Power is predicated on a lot of people being together and a lot of breath. COVID has especially been difficult for horn players. I guess my question is: What have you guys been up to for the last year?

Castillo: Well, you know, we're up to pretty much the same thing every year for the last 50 years. We go out 200 days a year. We play all the time. We have a lot of fun doing it. We travel all over the world. In the last six years or so, it's a lot of recording. We recorded two albums at once and released one for the fiftieth, actually, the day of the concert at the Fox. The other one came out [chuckles] right at the pandemic. And, now, this one is out.

We're always busy, and we're always pretty much doing the same thing. I mean, we're doing Tower of Power. That's what we do.

So it didn't hamper you guys in any way, besides the gigs?

Garibaldi: Oh, it absolutely did. Our last gig was March 8 of last year, a touring gig. And then Labor Day weekend, we did a couple of those drive-in gigs down in Southern California. But, really, that's all we've done in the last year. But that being said, we have a schedule we just saw that's possibly starting in August. It looks pretty normal. It looks like a Tower of Power schedule! So, hopefully, that will happen.

Have you guys been recording during the pandemic?

Castillo: I did a lot of writing. I do a lot of interviews and a lot of speaking. Dave and I spoke at ASU and we're speaking at USC, coming up in a week or so. I spoke at the jazz school—actually, the school that's right above the Fox. I spoke there for an hour about a month ago. We did a session—a couple of sessions. I wrote a song for Lettuce. You know the band Lettuce?

Rings a bell.

Castillo: Yeah, they're kind of a jam band. They kind of had this groove and I started writing the lyrics. I called [baritone saxophonist] Doc [Kupka] and said, "Help me finish this thing real quick." And we did, and then I went over to my friend's studio and sang it and did all the background parts and sent it off to them. You know, we stayed busy.

What can viewers expect from your upcoming GRAMMY Museum appearance?

Castillo: We just interviewed for the GRAMMY Museum. We haven't played or anything. But—check out our records! Check out our new stuff! Get the DVD! It's pretty cool, you know?

Garibaldi: We did something a couple of weeks ago for them.

Castillo: Oh yeah, the Zoom interview! We did a Zoom interview. I think that was the three of us, right?

Garibaldi: Yeah.

Castillo: So, it's kind of what we're doing here. They very well might be playing some excerpts from the live performance. We're doing so many of these things right now that I kind of get lost in the sauce trying to remember all that we've done! But, we did one of these. You're right, Dave.

If shows gear up again soon, what do you see the rest of 2021 and 2022 as looking like? You mentioned that you might go out in August, so I imagine it'll be full speed ahead from then on.

Garibaldi: Hopefully. [laughs]

Castillo: Yeah, that's the plan. You know, you've got to understand we're booked all the time. We've got a whole bunch of gigs that need to be replayed. People had us on their books and even put deposits down. We'll have to go fulfill those along with all the new bookings that come in. Plus, we've had two new products come out during this time. So, we've got to tour the world with all of that. We'll be pushing the envelope worldwide. I'm sure we'll be back to Australia and New Zealand and Korea. Japan. All over Europe.

We're really hoping to go farther, you know. We've never been to South America. We really want to get down there—Brazil, Chile and all around. That's what we do.

The effect I got from the live record was of energy feedback from the audience. That's something we obviously miss greatly, so I hope people will find enough comfort in the vaccine rollout to get shoulder-to-shoulder again. It made me miss that experience.

Garibaldi: We'll see. It might take some time, but people will come out. I don't anticipate it being anything but successful. People want to be entertained. They want to do this—to see music again. And Tower of Power shows are really a lot of fun. It's kind of full-contact stuff. A great band, people coming, having fun, partying with their friends … it's a good time.

Castillo: I'll have to remember that phrase. That's a good description. Going to a Tower of Power concert is a full-contact deal.

Garibaldi: There really is an important factor. On any given night, we can have a good audience, a great audience or a dead audience. Sometimes, we get hired to play the high-paying corporate gigs where people are on the fringes talking about the seminar they went to throughout the day. Those gigs can be kind of a drag.

But usually, at a regular Tower of Power gig, the crowd's really good. And then some are completely off the chain! Anything in the Northeast or Japan or a lot of places in Europe. When that energy is coming at you from them and you're putting off all this energy toward the crowd, the two energies combining just takes it to another level. It's very important—the two meeting.

I'm looking forward to the GRAMMY Museum event. I'm sure you guys will touch on your 50-year history and tell some stories.

Garibaldi: We did! We told stories. But, you know? It's pretty much what we're doing right now. You ask the questions, we answer.

Anything you'd like to add about the immediate future of Tower of Power?

Castillo: You know, I've had a lot of time to write songs, so we're acquiring a lot of material. I'm sure we'll be getting back in the studio again sometime soon. I'd like to do a gospel/praise record and a secular record simultaneously. The idea of going into the studio and recording two albums at once, it really worked. It worked out really good. So, that's my aim and we'll see how it plays out. But every facet of Tower of Power, we just want to push the envelope in every way.

Any gospel records you've been checking out lately that you'd recommend, Emilio?

Castillo: I've just been dining on Fred Hammond lately. His album, Something About Love, which came out—I don't know—ten years ago, is one of my favorites. But recently, I'd gotten an album he did with these three other singers. It's called United Tenors. 

There's something about his records. When I first listened to Something About Love, I was like, "Yeah, this is cool." Then, after three times, I was like, "This is off the chain!" It's the same with this United Tenors record. I listened, I was like [muted affect] "Eh, it's good, it's very good—not as good as that one." Now, it's, like, my favorite record! I'm listening to it over and over!

So, yeah, I listen to a lot of that stuff and Deitrick Haddon and Yolanda Adams and Smokey Norful. I think all the great soul singers have gone back to the church! [laughs] I'm a vocalist guy. I know singers!

What have you been checking out, David?

Garibaldi: I listen to a lot of contemporary jazz sort of stuff, you know? Watching videos of performances, that kind of stuff. There's a gospel drummer, actually, who I'm really, really a big fan of: Calvin Rodgers. He's played on all kinds of peoples' stuff. He played on Fred Hammond's stuff. So, he's a really, really tremendous player.

But I like all kinds of different music. I keep my ears open to all kinds of different things, you know?

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Yeti Beats: From Punk Guitarist To Doja Cat's Go-To Producer

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The Los Angeles-based producer chatted with GRAMMY.com about meeting Doja Cat, her appeal as a viral sensation, his creative process, musical evolution and more
Christopher A. Daniel
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Apr 9, 2021 - 10:36 am

Yeti Beats was searching for some inspiration when he sat in his then-studio in the Echo Park neighborhood of Los Angeles with his intern in 2013. The genre-blurring producer and songwriter caught a vibe once he heard the electro-soulful "So High" on SoundCloud by a local rapper/singer/dancer calling herself Doja Cat, and knew collaborating could work wonders for the both of them.

Turns out Yeti Beats' gut was spot on. The beatmaker, who became Doja Cat's co-manager and tour DJ, executive produced all three of the 25-year-old's musically adventurous projects, the 2014 R&B-flavored EP Purrr!; her 2018 major label breakthrough Amala; and her 2019 smash Hot Pink.

A musical chameleon himself behind the console, the musician born David Sprecher either co-wrote or cranked the knobs on "Candy," "Juicy," "Like That," "Tia Tamera," "Cyber Sex," "Go to Town" and the GRAMMY-nominated chart-topper "Say So." His creative direction morphed into an exclusive deal for him with Warner Chappell Music last summer.

Related: From Meme Queen To Popstar: Revisiting Doja Cat’s Inevitable Breakout

But chasing success in the music business has been trial-and-error for Sprecher over the last two-plus decades. The Santa Barbara, California native started out playing guitar in a melodic/skate punk band, Slimer, while his ears stayed tuned into Al Green, The Cars, reggae and his sister's hip-hop tapes. When Slimer released its Adult Cabaret LP under Grilled Cheese Records in 1999, Sprecher knew the label and touring grind for a band wasn’t exactly for him.

By 2003, he started concentrating on producing records instead, carving out his niche in underground hip-hop and reggae. At his home studio, he booked sessions with Kool Keith, Sizzla, Junior Reid, The Pharcyde’s Fat Lip, late Geto Boys member Bushwick Bill, Kurupt, Ho99o9 and Rebelution. He opened his Echo Park spot, Himalayas, in 2010 before upgrading to another studio in Hollywood in 2015.

These days, the experienced producer has abandoned the state-of-the-art studio atmosphere in favor of his MIDI controller, speakers, laptop, guitar and bass in his house. He recently chatted with GRAMMY.com about how he met Doja Cat, her appeal as a viral sensation, his creative process, musical evolution, future projects, and how the dynamic pair would celebrate a GRAMMY win.

How did you meet Doja Cat?

I first heard her from an intern at my studio, Jerry Powell, a producer himself still involved with lots of Doja’s songs. He was just playing songs off of Soundcloud on the homepage, and he played a really rough home recording that Amala [Dlamini, a.k.a. Doja Cat] had done, "So High," and it immediately caught my ear.

I asked him who it was and we looked her up on Facebook. She happened to live in Los Angeles, we wrote her a message, and asked if she wanted to come in the studio to record some music. A couple of days later, she came in. Soon after recording with her, I just immediately knew that she had incredible raw talent. It was just something that needed to be nurtured. It’s just incredible to see how she’s grown over the years and evolved as an artist and a person is just beautiful to me.

"We try to make music as authentic to who she is, and each one of these records is like a time capsule of Amala as a person."

Is there a formula that you and Doja Cat have whenever you’re in the studio?

We try to keep the projects and creative process fun and lighthearted. Amala is such a unique talent, I just try to keep her inspired. The records have evolved over the years; we started on that dusty, slower, vibey R&B, and over time, we started changing it up, bringing in different sounds, adding elements of dance music and more melodic, quirky sounds that accent her personality. We try to make music as authentic to who she is, and each one of these records is like a time capsule of Amala as a person.

How has social media impacted Doja Cat’s success?

I’m not a social media expert, but I do think that Doja Cat’s music is particularly fun and sticky. She’s also a person that knows how to navigate the internet really well. She’s intriguing. Her sounds go viral, particularly on TikTok, because her music is authentic, and authentic music resonates with people.

How did you celebrate “Say So” becoming Doja Cat’s first No. 1 pop hit?

I was in Los Angeles at my house and in shock that Doja Cat had a No. 1. I talked with our team and the people that were involved on the project on the phone, and I was super congratulatory because it was her surreal moment. It was one of those “wow” moments; very, very crazy in a good way.

What did the Warped Tour in 1999 reveal to you about the music business?

I learned that you have to work really hard because every artist on the roster is out here working really hard. Traveling is not easy, and the lifestyle is not what people think it is. The rock star lifestyle is a different kind of work, which is exhausting. [Chuckles.] I understand the importance of touring, going out there, performing music in front of new people, and making sounds.

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How did you go from punk musician to songwriter and producer?

I moved to L.A. to go to college. There, I was exposed to a lot more music. Through a friend, I ended up meeting another close friend of mine, Sam Stegall. He had a little home studio in Hollywood; he invited me to come over there. I watched him produce a beat and work with another artist. A light bulb went off. I was thinking I could do this; maybe I need to get ProTools or a MIDI controller.

I already knew how to play guitar and a little bit of keyboards, so I thought making beats would be fun. That was the beginning of a never-ending journey I would equate to a puzzle. I love creating music and had the realization that if I worked hard, then maybe I could turn that into a career. I already knew somebody who was doing this for a living, and I thought I was capable of it.

With each artist that I’m working with, I try to catch their vibe, have some fun, and not really focus on what I wanna make. I put myself in the artists’ shoes and really listen to what they want and make something that’s authentic to how they should sound. It’s about catching the moment; there’s parts of myself that enjoy the thrash of punk or to kick back and groove to reggae. I listen to uptempo music that makes you dance: funk, disco, house, jazz or pretty much anything across the board. I don’t wanna commit myself to making one genre of music or to just making rap beats. I aspire to be an eclectic producer.

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What are you hoping to accomplish with your exclusive Warner Chappell Music deal?

The main reasons I’m doing the deal is to make sure someone is collecting all of my publishing royalties and to also have a strong partner to connect me with other artists, producers, or people that maybe either Doja wants to collaborate with or myself. It’s showing to be a very strong relationship; they’re putting me in the room with a lot of cool people.

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What projects are you currently working on?

BJ The Chicago Kid is an artist that I've known for a while. We've worked together before, and I think he's one of the most amazing singers. We're doing a project together with a band that has a vintage element to it. It's gonna be a really interesting project based on an old soul sound. I have so much love and respect for BJ; he's an incredible artist, and I can’t wait to work with him more.

I have the next Doja Cat album, Planet Her, and I'm most excited about that. I have some really exciting songs on there, and I couldn’t be prouder of the people who worked on this project.

How has working with Doja Cat made you a better producer?

Working with Doja has taught me a lot about life. She was 16 when I met her, and I recognized her unique talent. My main objectives over the years have been to protect, enable and shepherd her through the music business, which can be very hard at times.

It's been a crazy experience watching her grow up from a teenager to a young woman. She’s grown tremendously as an artist, creator, entertainer, live performer. The whole experience has been completely surreal and beautiful. I get goosebumps when I think about where we used to be versus where we’re at; it is just incredible. I feel thankful and blessed.

How would you and Doja Cat celebrate a GRAMMY win?

It's a pretty surreal experience being nominated this year. We feel super blessed to be acknowledged. Me and Doja have a pact between some friends all involved from the early stages going back to 2013; if she was ever to win a GRAMMY, then we'd have to get tattoos of cats on our butts. We'll see if it happens. [Chuckles.]

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