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Cakes Da Killa's New 'Muvaland 2' EP Is A Joyride Back To '90s Ballroom

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Powerhouse New York rapper Cakes Da Killa discusses his upcoming EP 'Muvaland 2,' performative allyship, and the new generation of LGBTQ+ artists
Bianca Gracie
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Jun 28, 2021 - 1:19 pm

Ballroom culture has blown up in mainstream media thanks to series like FX's "POSE" and HBO's "Legendary," but Cakes Da Killa is here to remind you it's more than just a trend. The Brooklyn-based rapper temporarily traded spitting over high-energy hip-hop beats to glide over sparkling house melodies on last November's Muvaland EP.

Now, the rapper is back with the sequel—Muvaland 2—that continues the celebration of '90s ballroom. Cakes reconnected with New York producer Proper Villains for the euphoric time capsule, from the soon-to-be club anthem "What's The Word" to the ultra-cheeky "Taste Test." [The first two tracks are out now and the full EP drops on HE.SHE.THEY. on July 16.]

"My music has always been based on club and dance music. There weren't a lot of visibly gay rappers [at the time], so I forced myself to fit the mold of what people wanted me to do," Cakes tells GRAMMY.com over the phone. "So that's why you see me doing things like VladTV and Hot 97 because that's the market that people were trying to shove me into."

He continues: "But I have so many more sounds and elements that actually have inspired me and influenced what I do. So I had to make the decision to stick strictly to what makes me completely happy and what tells my full story as an artist. Sonically, this is me going back to basics 'cause it kinda sounds like my first mixtapes."

Below, Cakes Da Killa discusses his new EP, performative allyship, and the new generation of LGBTQ+ artists.

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Did it feel like a release to have such high-energy music to escape from all the mess?

I've been an independent artist for a little over a decade and I was blessed to be able to just survive off of my art. As an adult, I've never had to work at a job. But when the pandemic came, a b**** had to become real essential, really quick. [Laughs.] I had to get a job. So I needed balance. It was like the reality of, "Okay you're working this job now to pay your bills, but I still want to be creative." So that's where the carefree energy came from. I recorded it in Proper Villains' apartment on this home set up, so it's just very D.I.Y.

"Taste Test" is my favorite on the new EP because it's so c*nty. When you're talking about p***y I was like, "Yes, this is what I need!"

Right! I think that's going to be a cute single that people are going to gravitate towards. I wrote that in my mind being like, "If I had to write a song with Lady Miss Kier of Deee-Lite, how exactly would I want it to go?" I couldn't get her on the record, but I'm just trying to do her justice. So I'm proud of that track too.

You also have "Stoggaf" named after the [homophobic] slur. I have friends who believe they should reclaim the word.

I don't even think about it that deep. As someone that's grown up being called a f****t, I have a different experience of how I dealt with it. People deal with traumas differently. But I also feel like how people think about reappropriating the word or whether or not the word empowers them or not has a lot to do with what generation you were born in. 'Cause I noticed a lot of the kids coming up now, they don't use the word.

But I also don't identify as queer because when I was coming up, that was an academic word. That wasn't a word that we use in our day-to-day, you know what I'm saying? I had to spell it backward because I don't think you could put the word on Spotify. [Laughs.] But there's an Ultra Naté song called "10,000 Screamin' F****ts" that they would play in the club back in the day. I'm more old-school, girl. I'm going to do something and if you like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't.

What do you identify as? I want to get it correct here.

Well, I'm definitely marketed and branded as a homosexual. But now that I realize it, I guess on paper, I will be pansexual based on some of these most recent interactions. [Laughs.] But I've been very much socialized as a gay man. So that's how I move through the world. I get the process of labels and how they empower people, but I also feel like labels catch people up. Even when people label themselves as "queer" they work their identity to fit in whatever that means to them. I think that that's also very limiting. So I just live through life being like, "Hi, my name is Cakes" and you take it as that.

Are pronouns a big deal for you?

Pronouns are really big right now. I just had this conversation with one of my friends and I was like, "I identify as 'he' and 'him.'" But I also don't believe in the binary. I do believe everybody is non-binary because I don't think there's no such thing as just a man or a woman. I identify as a man because that's just what it was for me. And I also don't feel uncomfortable with that title. Coming up, me and my friends would call each other "she" or "b****" because that was also very popular. But I wouldn't label myself as non-binary because that kinda has a look and a vibe right now, and I wouldn't want to encroach on that.

I'm an LGBTQ+ ally, but a lot of straight allies often try to be overly performative.

Right. They'd be like, "Yass b****! Work honey!"

Are they actually supporting this community or do they just want to be seen?

I think people are going to be people regardless because we could talk about that the same way we could talk about a lot of gay men who perform cis-women traits. Like when they imitate their mothers and aunties as comedy—a lot of women don't like that either. I just feel like people just need to work on having a little bit more class. Being performative could be fun sometimes because that adds some depth to life. But when it becomes a little too pandering or overkill... What you realize walking through life, a lot of people don't know who they are. They don't have their own identities, that's why they subscribed so much to these titles and labels.

I learned about ballroom culture watching "POSE" and Paris Is Burning. Of course, there are pros and cons to it becoming more mainstream. On one hand, it gets whitewashed, but on the other hand, people could learn from it.

I think it's great because there has always been a lot of talent in the ballroom scene for years. There have also been active members who maneuvered in the mainstream industry who couldn't really speak about their ballroom identity because it was like a taboo. It was looked down upon for years to be affiliated with ballroom. So I like that we now can now look at all these stylists, designers, hairdressers, and makeup artists who are actually children of the ballroom scene. They're finally getting their just dues.

Obviously the whitewashing and all that is annoying, but that just comes with the territory. So like you said, it has its pros and cons. But I just feel like people should appreciate ballroom for what it is and don't make it a fad because it's really a lifestyle for a lot of these kids. A lot of people that participate in ballroom don't come from Oz. They need ballroom, you what I'm saying? It's not a fad. So I think people should respect it as such.

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It's been a year since the protests for George Floyd, Breonna Taylor and the Black trans community. What do you think has changed?

What's good about that is it definitely influences the younger generation. I think everyone should just be good people and respect people, but that doesn't happen 'cause we don't live in a perfect world. But I also don't live life tracking who's racist. I face problems and I address things head-on.

At that time [of the protests], I'm Black, I'm gay, I'm dealing with a pandemic. I had people telling me that it was probably in poor taste for me to drop a record that's so high energy. But I did it because there are people that need that. There are people locked in their f***ing apartments. Let somebody have a cocktail and dance in their living rooms before they armor themselves to face the day.

What's your favorite cocktail?

Anything that's wet, baby. [Laughs.]

What other work needs to be done within the music industry?

Even being inclusive in the industry is performative. It's like, come on, we have one fat one, one gay one, one Asian one. It's all for looks at the end of the day. But I also hold those people accountable because I came up at a different time where I wasn't just the only gay one in the room. It was me and like a slew of other girls and we were all doing our thing. I couldn't take that pressure just being the only one anyway, 'cause it would just be a disservice to me, especially as someone that knows the history.

You have to talk about the other people that came before you and also the people that came after you because you're not the moment. It makes it seem very one-note as far as just the racial and social justice. I hold white people accountable every day. I always talk about race to the point where some people are like, "We're just talking about music. Why does it have to be a race thing?" And I'm like, "Did you not watch Ma Rainey's Black Bottom? It's always been about race."

Racism is the backbone of this country, we can't not discuss it.

Exactly. You have to challenge the aggressive white person but also the pseudo "woke" white person as well. They have Black friends, they're chill and they know what's going on. They listen to Snoop Dogg, but you have to challenge their asses too because nobody is perfect. Everybody could be better.

I think you, Le1f, Rye Rye, and Mykki Blanco helped set the tone for this new generation of Black LBGTQ+ artists.

We came up in the underground. So we didn't have major labels, the limelight, the glitz and glamour. We had to fight for everything we got. We couldn't coopt an underground look 'cause we had to be our own artists. Biting people's styles and sounding like someone else was corny when I was coming up. Now, I think it's a shift where you have mainstream artists looking like underground artists, but they're not really underground.

I don't think there's a lot of authenticity, but that has always been a thing since the music industry was the music industry. That has nothing to do with if you're queer, straight or asexual. So I just like to maneuver on my own planet. I stay true to myself and I tip my hat off to anybody that's being visible, whether you're bringing attention to different body types or different sexualities or disabilities or whatever the f***--you want to make the world a better place. I'm just like, "B****, just be authentic and talented." 

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Yung Baby Tate On Success, Working With Issa Rae & 'After The Rain Deluxe'

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Singer/songwriter Yung Baby Tate caught up with GRAMMY.com about creating with passion, supportive partnerships with Issa Rae and more
DeMicia Inman
GRAMMYs
Jul 7, 2021 - 6:00 am

Yung Baby Tate is well connected. Not so much in the sense that she has powerful people in high places but more so in that she understands herself, her fans and the significance of being a pop star in today’s culture and society. In her music videos, performances and social media, Yung Baby Tate is here, she is the present, and she is laying the groundwork to be the future of hip-hop, R&B, and pop fusion acts. The GRAMMY-nominated artist is only just beginning. 

Born Tate Sequoya Farris in 1996 to GRAMMY-nominated singer Dionne Farris, the 25-year-old artist may have inherited some of her mother’s abilities, but she’s built her own path to pop stardom using her creative gifts and cultivated talent.

In 2015, she released her debut EP, ROYGBIV, initiating a string of conceptual projects showcasing her songwriting, singing, rapping, and production capabilities. Yung Baby Tate followed her first drop with the holiday-themed YBTXMAS in 2016 and in 2018, she issued BOYS. The albums were stepping stones to her debut full-length LP, Girls, which was released in 2019 and featured artists such as Baby Rose and Atlanta rapper Latto. (The album also featured a short film directed by Christian Cody.) 

In 2019, beyond her success and positive reception,Yung Baby Tate delivered a stand-out entry to Nicki Minaj’s Megatron Challenge. Although the Queen rapper did not name her the official winner, Yung Baby Tate had already established herself as a multi-talented artist that others should pay attention to. 

In 2020, the multifaceted vocalist continued to soar towards stardom. She collaborated with British pop artist Bree Runway on "Damn Daniel," announced a new partnership with Issa Rae’s Raedio, and earned credits for her contributions to the GRAMMY-nominated album Revenge of the Dreamers III.  

She closed the year by dropping After The Rain, a deeply personal EP inspired by the feelings after a breakup featuring fellow Georgia artist 6LACK. Being vulnerable, the rapper says, has helped her earn a fanbase.

"I am pretty much always exposing myself. I think that [vulnerability] is something that fans and listeners want in music because it allows for one to understand that we're all going through the same human experience," the singer shares with GRAMMY. "I really love seeing tweets, where it's like some random scenario and then everyone else is like, 'Well we [are] all just living the same life'...I think for music a lot of times, being vulnerable and kind of exposing yourself is what makes people resonate with it."

Not only is she relatable, Yung Baby Tate is infectious. An After The Rain standout track, "I Am" featuring rising Alabama rapper Flo Milli evolved into an anthem of affirmations and a Tik Tok sensation, earning over 1 million views on YouTube.

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Catching up with GRAMMY.com via phone, the "Rainbow Cadillac" singer spoke about her career, representing the LGBTQ+ community, her song featured on the creative campaign for LIFEWTR, and what she hopes to accomplish as a force in the music industry.

This interview has been edited for clarity and length. 

I want to talk a little bit about the LIFEWTR campaign, and the song that you created "GIVE U LIFE."  What was the inspiration behind that song and the creative process?

The inspiration behind the song "GIVE U LIFE" was birthed off of what LIFEWTR, and really, what water is in general. Water is like the main source of life. Everyone needs it to survive. It really does give us life. I also wanted to take that phrase that people often use [like] "Ooh girl! I love what you just did there, you're giving me life," and kind of compared myself to water and to those elements that bring life to the world and into music and art.

The LIFEWTR campaign was done with Issa Rae. You also partner with Rae through Raedio. How is that relationship impactful personally and professionally? 

Personally, this partnership has really allowed me to grow in a lot of different places that [I wouldn't really have if] I were to partner with anyone else or another label. Issa reaches out from time to time, just to say "Oh, I'm proud of you for this [or] you are really amazing on that," which is really cool to have someone who I look up to as not only an actress but also an entrepreneur, a businesswoman, a fellow Earth sign.

It definitely has improved my confidence, personally. But as far as a career, so many doors have been opened in so many different things, not just music, but acting, voiceover work, the  LIFEWTR campaign. It's just been very very helpful, and I'm extremely grateful for it.

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I think it makes a difference for me because you are both Black women. How do you think that kind of relationship can be an example for others especially in this type of industry where sometimes we're literally all that we have?

That was actually very important for me when I chose to partner with Raedio. Not only is Issa an extremely powerful, successful Black woman, but there are plenty of Black women and Black men on her staff, and that made me feel comfortable, like I will be seen, heard and understood. One thing I really admire about Issa is when she said "I'm rooting for everybody Black" she really did mean that, and you can see it through the things that she does, the people she empowers, and the people that she employs. It is definitely extremely important to me, and I hope it can be an example of how other people can do the same, not just women, but men as well.

What was your initial reaction to that viral response to "I Am" featuring Flo Milli? 

I was really shocked. It's not like I didn't believe in the song, I believe in every song that I put out, but I definitely wasn't expecting such a huge reaction and such a huge resonance with people, but I was extremely grateful for it. The song really is something that I wrote for myself to manifest, to affirm, to speak life over myself, [and] to give myself life, and the fact that so many people heard it, and said, you know what, I want to listen to this every morning, actually, every day, every time I'm going to work, and every night. It just made me so extremely grateful and proud of the work that I've been able to do. It makes me feel like the work that I have been doing…  means something.

Can you share more on After The Rain Deluxe? 

This is kind of like the before the rain, or during the rain. A lot of these songs are way more moody, way more reflective, because this whole EP was birthed off of a relationship ending and reflecting on the things that led to that or the things that came after. So, for this half of the EP, it is kind of what led to the rain and then the rain happened, and then, after the rain, we're going to be alright again. I'm really excited for fans to hear because I’m diving way deeper into R&B which is a space that I'll be more leaning towards going forward with new music. So, the first half is after the rain, is a little bit of R&B with this half is way more R&B centered and I'm really excited about that and really excited for people to hear it.

Who are some Black music icons, sounds or genres that continue to inspire you to create and how do you hope to impact the overall landscape of Black music through your art and your career,

Black music icons that inspire me are Nicki Minaj, Beyoncé, Rihanna, really a large fan of powerful women. I love Brandy, I love SWV...there's so many. I love Pharrell. I love Future, even. So many people inspire me. I'm inspired by so much, which is why my music is very varied. I hope to inspire people in the same way that I believe Nicki Minaj and Missy Elliott have inspired me to think outside of the box. [They] never allow[ed] themselves to be boxed in. 

I think I'm doing a pretty good job of that already. I want to inspire the next generation of people to not care about what people might think of them and to not be afraid to fully express and not be afraid to be the oddball. That's the type of legacy that I wish to leave.

As a member of the LGBTQ plus community, do you feel as though queer Black women in R&B, hip-hop and pop spaces are underrepresented, and how do you think the industry can move forward towards more representation? 

I definitely do feel like we're underrepresented, but I like to think that, that is changing very swiftly. I think for a long time artists have been or were afraid to identify themselves in the public. I know even like freaking Whitney Houston was bisexual and like it was kept under wraps. I think that if it wasn't, it would have inspired so many people to feel like, oh my gosh, this woman that I look up to, and I love she's just like me, instead of saying, I'm wrong for feeling this way or I shouldn't tell anyone. I think we're definitely making a lot of strides and a lot of moves.

I love Lil Nas X and how open and unapologetic he is with his sexuality. Whether he's having sex with the devil or anything else. I'm just really being myself. I think moving forward the [music] industry should be more accepting of that, so that people won't feel like they have to hide or have to keep it under wraps for only a few people. The LGBT community is beautiful, it's vast and it's so diverse, and you honestly never know who [you] might be inspiring [or] who you might be doing some relief to. [They can] be like, "Oh wow, I love Yung Baby Tate, she's bisexual, great." I feel very good about myself now, and I don't feel like questioning or hiding myself. I think moving forward having more representation is always extremely important.

As someone who identifies as bisexual and being a Black girl from the South, how do you think that impacted your creative career?

Creatively, I think I've always been everywhere, it also kind of lingers over into my sexuality, I'm just very free. A free-thinking, free moving [and] free-loving person. I think that really shows in who I am as a person as well, and the things that I do, and the music that I make, the things I say, the people that I surround myself with, it is just a very free, don’t really care, type of vibe. And I've always really known that about myself and embrace that about myself.

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Black Sounds Beautiful: How Kendrick Lamar Became A Rap Icon

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In the latest episode of Black Sounds Beautiful, take a minute to explore the astonishing GRAMMYs legacy of hip-hop heavyweight Kendrick Lamar—from Good Kid, M.A.A.D. City to DAMN and beyond
Morgan Enos
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Jul 1, 2021 - 1:19 pm

When Kendrick Lamar rapped the verses to "Alright" in front of a massive fireball at the 2018 GRAMMY Awards show, the pyrotechnics felt metaphorical for K-Dot's presence in the rap game.

Since he hit the ground running with 2011's Section.80, the visceral, socially conscious and self-analytical MC has led the charge for hip-hop's 21st-century evolution.

In classic albums like 2012's Good Kid, M.A.A.D City and 2017's DAMN., he braided dazzling technical acumen with the realities of the Black experience, all anchored by his Christian faith.

Inside Kendrick Lamar's Explosive GRAMMYs Legacy

In the latest episode of Black Sounds Beautiful, behold the 13-time GRAMMY winner and 37-time GRAMMY nominee's astonishing legacy in a whiplash one-minute tour of his life and career. 

While we wait for Lamar's next album — which, given, his track record, is bound to be another game-changer — check out the thrilling, informative video above.

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"It's Been A Long Journey:" Eli & Fur Trace Their Path To Debut Album 'Found In The Wild'

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The British dance duo Eli & Fur had talked about making an album for years, but non-stop touring got in the way—then COVID hit. With clubs closed and all plans out the window, they finally reached their destination by revisiting their roots
Krystal Rodriguez
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Jun 22, 2021 - 7:35 am

To better understand British duo Eli & Fur's debut album, Found In The Wild, it might help to watch Into the Wild. The film adaptation of Jon Krakauer's 1996 non-fiction book tells the story of Christopher McCandless, a then-recent college graduate who rejected modern society by adventuring solo across North America into the Alaskan wilderness, supposedly in search of enlightenment. Before his death in approximately August 1992, McCandless sought shelter from the snowy elements in an abandoned bus, documenting his life through self-portraits and journaling.

Into the Wild, Eliza Noble, a.k.a. Eli, tells GRAMMY.com over Zoom, is one of her favorite movies. (She also loves its Eddie Vedder-composed soundtrack.) "I definitely relate to that, wanting to escape," she muses. At the moment, she and partner Jennifer Skillman, a.k.a. Fur, are holed up in their own creative refuge on the other side of the world, in Sussex, South East London, in a giant wooden shed turned studio which to them feels more like a sauna on one of the hottest days in recent memory. The studio, non-weatherproof as it may be, has served as its own frontier, a lawless land where genres, deadlines and plans don't exist, and where creativity has free rein. It's no Alaska, but perhaps it's helped Eli & Fur answer some questions of their own: Who are we? Where do we fit?

They've pondered over that last one, especially, for nearly all the nine years that Eli & Fur the project have existed. Before then, they were "proper cheese pop" songwriters and vocalists, as Fur calls it, who after spending countless nights in the club evolved into DJs and producers of their own, culminating in their 2013 debut, "You're So High." Since then, the duo's profile has increased with releases on dance labels including Defected, Spinnin' Deep, Anjunadeep and their own NYX Music. Still, as they shared in a statement, doubters thought their combination of pop-structured vocals and club tracks wouldn't work.

Split into a dual showcase—Found represents their songwriting roots, while In the Wild shows off their club side—Found In The Wild is the musical whole of Eli & Fur, proving that both can co-exist to beautiful, emotional results. With all tracks either created or finished during lockdown, a dark, moody energy surges throughout its rolling melodies, emphasized by lyrics that reflect the sadness ("Come Back Around"), uncertainty ("Broken Parts") and existentialism ("Are We Even Human") of having everything you know and love turned upside down. By stepping back and trusting their instincts, Eli & Fur were able to recenter themselves and move forward. As Eli sums it up: "You have to get lost to be found."

Ahead of the album's release this Friday, June 25 on Anjunadeep, Eli & Fur chart their path to Found In The Wild.

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How has being home for the last 16 months affected your relationship with music?

Fur: When Coronavirus happened I came back from L.A. to be with my family, and I've literally been in this shed for the last year making music everyday. It's been incredible because I haven't had this [much] time before to fully be creative and not have all these crazy deadlines and touring. We've also been making music that we wouldn't usually because of what's been going on in the world. Being able to come in here and make different genres with no planned outcome or release or whatever—just purely create—I love that.

Eli: That's so true. When you're at home and you know you're going to DJ on the weekends, you often have it in your mind that you're going to test this track out. You're thinking from that club perspective, because that's where you're spending a lot of your time. At the beginning of the pandemic we were in separate places and we had to make music remotely, so we'd sent stuff back and forth and—

Fur: It was a new way of working for us.

Eli: Yeah, it was a crazy experience… Even though we're dying to get back to touring now, the silver lining in this has been being able to get ahead of ourselves.

Did you experience any existential anxiety? The idea of, "I'm a DJ/producer, but who am I while none of that's happening?"

Eli: We both struggled through the whole thing. It's been difficult, especially as our income comes from touring, but it was scary because for the first three months, it felt like a real loss of identity. What am I without this? It was weird. When everything gets stripped away from you and you don't know when you're going to work again, you essentially don't have a job and no idea of what the future holds… That was really stressful, but it's been amazing that the two of us have supported each other. I have no idea what I would've done had I been on my own.

Fur: I don't think I could do it.

You two were separated for what, seven months?

Fur: Yeah. I think it was the longest time we hadn't seen each other in ten years.

Yet somehow you managed to make an album!

Eli: We went through the tracks, and 50 percent were created from scratch in lockdown; the other 50 percent, there was some stuff there but we finished in lockdown. We had a lot of stuff lying around that we just hadn't had the chance to finish… We were just discussing this the other day: We were like, did we make [the album] because we weren't together and were just so focused on getting it done? We weren't just sitting in the studio getting distracted.

As it turns out, we made so much music that we've almost got another album's worth. It worked out for the best, I think, because now we finally have an album which we've wanted for so long.

You've mentioned in interviews that you were just waiting for the right time. When did it finally feel like that time?

Eli: I think when we had enough to work with. We knew before coronavirus happened that we had a certain amount of tracks and sketches of tracks that we knew would be good enough for an album. We'd definitely put it off and been very selective—Fur's probably the biggest perfectionist you will ever meet—so we've never rushed anything… So while we had the tracks to make an album, coronavirus accelerated it and actually gave us the concept of the two sides of the album, Found and In the Wild, because we were like, we're not touring right now, we're not playing stuff out in clubs, so let's have the club tracks that we really like and try some of our natural roots.

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When you put those two sides together, you have Found In The Wild. What exactly is being found in the wild?

Eli: I guess the best way to describe it would be: You have to get lost to be found. In some ways that sounds a little obscure, but it's been a long journey for us. The Found side represents our songwriting roots, and In the Wild represents the club side of things, and we went from one to the other. In those club capacities and electronic music and that real feeling of deep, incredible music that makes you want to dance… We sort of found ourselves in that wilderness, those nights out on the dancefloor. After being two 16-year-olds who like guitar music, we had to go through those changes, experience the industry and get passionate about electronic music to really come together and create an album which we really feel represents us.

Fur: I feel in some ways at the beginning we held back... When you're starting out you have someone, like a manager, who asks you: Where do you fit? That's always been a bit of an issue for us because everyone asks us: Where do you fit? It's been nice to express the two sides of us and not have limits. We went with our gut feeling.

So when did it click that you could combine that background with club music?

Fur: So we worked at this music production company as a day job, just writing pop songs and putting ourselves out there creatively. We'd be given a theme for a song, and then we'd write lyrics—you almost have to be someone else to write that kind of song. We were getting into the industry at quite a young age doing these writing camps and working everyday with engineers and recording vocals. At the same time, we were going out at night and seeing DJs. We'd DJed a few times at friends' parties purely for fun, but we felt like we wanted to combine that melody with what we enjoyed going out to. So we'd write proper cheese pop during the day and then at night we'd stay up really late, jam and figure out what kind of sound would also work in the club.

Eli: We learned so much from that. We can sit down and come up with a chord sequence and write a song—verse, bridge, chorus; traditional song structure—but the way they did it at the pop factory where we worked, you'd write so many melodies and then you'd condense them into your favorite verses, bridges and choruses. It was in some way clinical, but incredibly original and exciting because you'd write so many melodies on one piece of music and you'd whittle it down to your favorite ones. At the end of it, you'd have this beautiful song.

It was interesting to use that way of writing on a club track, because with a club track you don't necessarily have a verse, bridge and chorus; it's mostly just a repetitive hook. It's all about hooks, which is definitely what pop music is about, so it was natural for us.

You've been told that meshing your songwriting and club-minded sides wouldn't work, but in the last few years especially, vocal melodic tracks have been thriving in the dance music space. What do you think connects with audiences?

Eli: The emotion on the dancefloor. You can have rolling, amazing tracks that are great to dance to, but the ones that you remember, in our opinion, are the ones that make you stop and listen to lyrics that you relate to… It's certainly a style that not everybody loves, but as you said, it's growing.

Anjunadeep is a perfect example. They're a great label to be on because when you go to an Anjunadeep show or listen to an Anjunadeep artist you're going to get these emotive, beautiful, interesting layered pieces of music which have a lot of meaning. I think that's what people are connecting with.

Tell me about the emotional headspace on this album, because some of these songs like "Broken Parts" and "Come Back Around" touch on loss, paralysis and the desire to run away from yourself. Then you have "Are We Even Human," which sounds so existential.

Eli: Because there's two of us, we've got twice the stories and the emotions. I personally write better when I write about sadness, so we often come up with a theme based upon the experiences that we've had. "Broken Parts," for example, is about wanting to get out and leave things behind. We filmed a music video to go with the single which is COVID-related. Being at home and trapped in your house and mind, it's not going to be a summer jam. That definitely shows across the album.

Then there's the non-vocal stuff like "Light Up Your Eyes" and "Big Tiger," which is just what comes out from whatever instrument we're playing… that's a more obscure emotion, and I think that's interesting as well, not having vocals and it just being there.

While we're on wanting to leave things behind, have you heard of Into the Wild?

Eli: It's one of my favorite movies.

Okay, that might explain why it's the first thing I thought of when I saw your album title.

Eli: Not only is the story amazing, the soundtrack is amazing and the book is amazing. But I definitely relate to that, wanting to escape, and that's what music is to a lot of people.

With a happier ending, though.

Eli: Definitely.

When was a time that the club most felt like being in the wild?

Eli: My favorite moments are in a dark, more intimate space where the crowd is just right there, vibing with you, and you completely lose yourself. I think a track that really represents that is "Light Up Your Eyes" because… it really communicates that moment. Those moments are really inspiring, when you're all on the same wavelength. The best part about going out is losing yourself and escaping and being somewhere dark where you're not staring at someone in a bright light. It's shadowy and mysterious; you can be whoever you want to be. No one has to know who you are.

Whenever we go out, we're usually going out to DJ. Our concept of a night out is playing music and seeing people's reactions. It's incredible to look at different faces in the crowd and kind of think about who they are, where they come from, what's going on in their minds—

Fur: You're not even having a conversation; it's just a feeling.

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RP Boo On New Album 'Established!' & The Founding Of Chicago’s Frenetic House Subgenre, Footwork

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Chicago DJ/producer RP Boo helped create the superfast dance music known as footwork—20 years later, he still sounds like no one else
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"I'm sticking with DJing, because that's about love!" Kavain Wayne Space, aka RP Boo, says from his Chicago home on the zoom call. He wears a sleeveless white t-shirt and his smile lights up the bare room.  As you'd maybe expect from a DJ, he talks with his hands, gesturing so emphatically it sometimes looks like he's going to reach back and knock the White Sox cap off the perch behind him.

RP Boo may not talk like an elder statesman, but he's got some grey in his pointed beard, and he's been around for a while. He's one of the pioneers of Chicago footwork or juke, a superfast dance music invented in the mid- and late-90s that is built around rapid fire beats and incessantly repeated tape loops. When RP Boo says, "that's about…that's about love!" he sounds a lot like his own music.

Footwork has had moments where it almost seemed about to break into the mainstream; Kanye West's remix of Kid Sister's 2007 "Pro Nails" was a brief sensation, and DJ Rashad's 2014 album Double Cup received wide praise. But RP Boo has never quite become a household name, though he's gotten more recognition since the release of his first album Legacy in 2013.

His fourth and most recent release, Established! (Planet MU) shows that sort-of success hasn't dimmed his weirdness or slowed down that 160 bpm. He recently spoke to GRAMMY.com about the roots of Chicago footwork, leaving his day job, and being a legend.

The first track on Established! ("All My Life") is based around this loop that repeats "All my life I've loved to dance." When did you start dancing and did that lead you to making music?

For me, I watched my uncle dance, and he just enjoyed it. And whatever dance he was doing, we didn't know, we just made fun of it.  And I got a cousin that I'd say about in '81—he would make these dances up, him and his friends. And it was catchy to me.

I used to try to break dance but couldn't figure it out. And about '85 or '86, that's when the house music in Chicago [started]. It was like, I like these dances. So I picked up this dancing, and got kind of good at it.

And once I learned how to DJ, I still loved dancing. Whatever your body wants to do when you're at a party, whether you know how to dance or not—it's not about you doing it correctly. To be jumping up the dance moves is to be a part of dancing with God.

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So when did you start DJing? Was it in the mid-90s or was it earlier than that?

I graduated from high school in 1991. And that's when I started buying my equipment. So as soon as I got out of high school, I just started to—I forget what type of turntables they were, but they had belt drives and they had a pitch on them. And I learned how to work those real fast. How to work the pitch, how to blend the tracks and how to fade the tracks out. How to know the note of records, where you want to come in at and where you want to cut out at. And it was less than a year and a half to mastery.

When you started, Chicago ghetto house was popular. And juke is basically Chicago ghetto house sped up. How did you all start playing this music faster?

It was a group I think, on the West Side. I guess they brain was somewhere else. So they had the DJ, whoever made this tape, instead of playing the vinyl on 33 they put it on 45. And they bashed the dance floor with it. So I guess they won the competition.

But word started getting around and people started imitating the trend, and DJs started  producing those 160 bpm [records].

The title of your album is Established! with an exclamation point. And I know that it's taken you a long time to get recognition. Do you still have a day job?

No! No.

I was working at a Lowe's Home Improvement store until 2013. That's when I ended up getting let go. And at that point, I think of December of 2012, I had just finished Legacy.

I never thought that I would ever be without a job. The store manager at Lowe's was a real good guy. And he says, "Well, corporate states that you could come back here but you can't be hired for six months."

As I was walking out, I said, "What am I going to do with the next six months?" And I said this out loud, "I think I'm going to start touring."

I was depressed. I stayed depressed—that was in late February. And in late April, I get a phone call from New York. And he says, "I heard you have an album coming out. If we'd known you had an album, we would have booked you to do a release party here in New York."

On the day of the release, I texted back and said I don't have the job [keeping me from touring anymore]. He says, "Can you be here in two weeks?" I was like, "Yeah!" I end up getting at least seven opportunities to play overseas within the first week.

"You just have to be prepared to let the world blossom and blossom with it. But you can't predict it." RP Boo

So you never had to go back to Lowe's.

No.

You just have to be prepared to let the world blossom and blossom with it. But you can't predict it.

Do you hear your music as an influence in a lot of what's out there now?

Oh yes. DJ Rashad [who died in 2014]—I was a great influence on him. And him on me.  And so Rashad was saying, "Hey, wait till you hear RP, this is the only guy that would change his style, multiple times. And as he changes it, that influences how other people listen. It's something about how his music just keeps changing."

I was listening to the track "All Over," which has the Phil Collins sample. How did that song come about? Did you have the sample first?

Yeah. Those are the songs I grew up to. In the '80s, we watched the videos, nobody paid attention. But that was the new wave of the future. And these are all the songs; I listened to Genesis, to the Phil Collins solo projects. And I found myself over time collecting them, I have them in my phone. So then I could drive and hear these songs.

I've had it in my archives for years. And I tried to play with it at least about nine years ago, and nothing worked. So I said, in due time I'll come back to it.

And one day I was going through my files just listening to music and I listened to [Phil Collins'] "I Don't Care Anymore."  And I looked at the BPM and said, [claps!] "Oh, this is right where I need to begin. And I played with it and let it run. And that's where I stopped it. [Makes a record scratch noise.] [Sings] "All over..ah..ah…all over."  And it worked. It worked out.

You have a song called, "Haters Increase the Heat" about overcoming detractors. But when I was listening to it, I thought, who can hate you?! [RP Boo gives a look.] They're out there?

Def. It's more about people that have no clue about what you do or what you're going through. Rashad dealt with that.

And I was like, oh, you know what? Let me make some music. That's why I say, [rhythmically quoting his track] "Haters increase the heat. It's getting hot, it's getting hotter. Haters gonna keep making my tracks get hot."

In other words, I will take the negative and do something productive, and show you what you can do with the negative and make a spark.

Have you been able to continue working during COVID?

I was able to do a lot of direct streams and recorded streaming projects, direct from our festivals overseas, and two remix projects. So I was able to stay busy. [Sighs.] But I've missed the touring.

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